Do we know if there will be any new units?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Eagle Eye242, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    Hmm, log cabins already existed in C1 game, however these were not build able. They were static starting option.
    It would be fine include build able garrisoned log cabins as Ftoomsh suggested. I also got them on my whish list, however I called them blockhouses.

    Such garrisoned fortifications, even few types existed in ACFB game. They garrisoned more men, could be reinforced under fire and strangely stormed through open doors, that was not good. So, few improvements here are well come.

    Less men in garrison, weaker fire power, only some defence for up to 12 men agianst musket fire.
    Fire arrows, artillery or sappers with powder kegs are needed to destroy such building. Small sieges or blockade also could be practicable. If blockaded fortification will not reinforced, supplied or relieved by friendly forces after some time it could surrender, at last all garrisons needed some food, water and ammunition.
  2. Vidas

    Vidas Member

    Will be added any new artillery types and new buildings, like log cabins, farms and other?

    Scotish frame gun is wonderful unit!
  3. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    Tabor ( war wagon) for Ukraine is pretty interesting idea in my opinion.

  4. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    You're right Kamilow but every eastern state need this weapon. For example Poland, Hungary, Ukraine maybe Turkey. Turkey war machine used this gun Battle of Chaldiran against Safavid Persia. By the way what do you think about volley gun? Turkey need this weapon in the game. Cos, Turkey don't use multi barrel gun. But every western nation use this gun. If the developers added this kind of weaponry. It 'd be fantastic.
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  5. Cherry Lady

    Cherry Lady Member

    Burak Damgacı is right about war wagons. Above Hungarian ones.
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  6. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    I've liked your picture Cherry Lady. Do you any information about if Hungarians used this type of war wagons for made a fortified camp? I have a little information about this subject.
    I want to translate this webstie and learn more information about war wagons. By the way Hungarian war wagon is pretty good.
    Maybe I'm wrong but it would seem that every eastern state used this tactic against enemy cavalry attacks or some special purposes.;);););) In my opinion.
    Ukraine used this tactic against Poland, Turkey, maybe Russia.
    Russia used this tactic against Poland, Turkey, Tartar horde,Ukraine...
    Turkey used this tactic against Safavid Persia, Poland, Hungary , Russia.
    Hungarian used this tactic against Turkey and other enemies and the list goes on. But most of the important thing is every state learned these kind of tactics during the fighting with deadly enemies. Battlefield is an useful school for developing states.
    Finally We also have to take a look at minor states histories. For example:Wallachia, Moldavia, Albania... Well, They can use it perfectly and add useful materials to develop this tactic.
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  7. Ftoomsh

    Ftoomsh Well-Known Member

    The Ukraine war wagon looks good: substantial, good bullet protection and room for a dozen men without the cannon piece. The Hungarian one looks more like transport than a fighting platform. I can't see the wicker sides stopping musket balls. This is on a first viewing though. I don't claim to have any historical knowledge about such war wagons, though I know the Cossacks used them.
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  8. Npeter87

    Npeter87 Moderator Staff Member

    Yep, it's not exactly a war wagon.

    A text above the wagon: Transylvanian Saxon carrier carrying soldiers. Several times they used the wagons to move the infantry more quickly.
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  9. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Oh, thanks Npeter. Good information. Your carrier like a useful truck. I wanna ask you another qustion, Hungarian had Ukranian type war wagon or not? Carrier with tranportation okay but what about wagon castle or fortified camp? And What do you think about this type of Austrian tower guys? I have a little information about this tower. Cos I don't understand Deutsch.

    Attached Files:

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  10. Cherry Lady

    Cherry Lady Member

    Tabor is a mobile camp moving with the army. Along with the camp on the Tabors were transported supplies and equipment of the army. The whole was transported on foot or carried by various carts, usually common peasant wagons.

    As all XVII century armies also Hungarian armies had Tabors with supplies. For example Sigismund Báthory's army of 40,000 men during his Wallachian campaign had over 3700 wagons served by about 14,000 men. So usually there were 3-4 people per one wagon. Gabor Bethlen army of 20,000 men in 1626 except horse-drawn wagons had also about 2000 wagons drawn by oxen (illustration below).

    In case of danger carts forming part of Tabor could be deployed around camp, linked together in a temporary fortifications and used for defence, all of this in a relatively short time. Cossacks used this tactic both in defensive and offensive role.

    However I have no idea how to implement Tabors for Ukraine in the game. C3 gameplay style is too arcade and unrealistic for this. Only way I can see is to use them like chariots what would be a little funny imho :D
    @Kamilow You proposed this unit, how do you imagine them in the game?

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  11. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Thank you for useful information. I've a little information about Hungarian armies and I've also known they used these tactics. Do you familiar with this kind of Austrian tower which I send previous email?
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  12. Npeter87

    Npeter87 Moderator Staff Member

    Hungarian army didn't used expansively wagon forts for defence after the Battle of Mohi (1242). However Hunyadi János (John Hunyadi) took over the tactics of the Hussites Tabor and sometimes used it (defence and attack role).

    After the medieval era, hungarian army used wagons for transport role. (To the best of my knowledge)

    Your another question was about Tschartake. It is a wooden watch tower and mostly built on the austrian border lines. It is a turkish or persian origin tower. English name is Chartaque.

    And a point of interest: We use Tabor word as 'tábor', and it means 'camp' in hungarian.
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  13. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Thank you Npeter. So useful information. And I have a another question for you. Transilvanian people Hungarian or Wlach? I've confused every time. When I searched Ottoman-Hungarian warfare. Your historical resources always so good and contain useful informations about your units and Ottoman units. Unfortunately I don't understand your language:)) I've always believed that Hungary and Turkey two brother country.
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  14. Npeter87

    Npeter87 Moderator Staff Member

    Transylvania: Quote from The Army of Transylvania 1559--1690 (by Somogyi Győző):
    "Transylvania was based on the alliance of three orders (Hungarian, Székely (or Sekler) and Saxonian), and on the equilibrium of four religions (Catholic, Reformed, Evangelical and Unitarian), led by the protestant Hungarian nobility."
    But! Many-many wallachian people lived in Transylvania at this time without united social and culture system.
    Székelys (or Seklers) was the defenders of Transylvania, who got this order from Grand Prince Árpád at the 9th century. (Point of interest: székelys are hungarians.)

    Hungarian language is one of the most hardest language in the world. Just for fun:

    And nope, Hungary "truly brother country" is Poland. :D

    Oh, and i read, your government blocking wikipedia sites, so, you're welcome:
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  15. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    It doesn't matter we like your country. Thank you for another good information. That's so intresting. How did they equilibrate between the religions? For example: In my opinion: Catholics don't like reformed or other religions. Maybe They could unite against common enemy- Ottoman army- Kuruc period Austrian army. I have a question for your Hungarian forum. Sorry for my curiosity. Thank you for your attention.
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  16. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    Top 5 factions that they need a new units :

    1. Venice
    2. England
    3. Algieria
    4. Turkey
    5. Spain
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  17. Npeter87

    Npeter87 Moderator Staff Member

    Hungarian nobility granted the freely religious practice, because they knew religion wars is divide and weaken a state. And some point, yes, it is unite a nation against the enemy (Ottoman and Habsburg).
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  18. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

  19. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

    Kingdom of Poland was from 1025 to 1569 year,
    After Union of Lublin in 1569 it transfermed to fualistic country called Crown of Poland and Great Duchy of Lithuania Commonwealth up till 1795. At that time crown of Poland had their own lands as Great Duchy of Lithuania had their. So since in cossacks devs made historical mistake. Some imo starts interpretating their own thoughts about history. While in fact commonwealth was never Poland. Different administration , different Sejm , different treasury and army. How that makes it Poland then? :-D Same like Scotland should be England or Portugal should be Spain. And yes it was brother country without dictatorship of one state. Only king had right to tell last word and he couldnt get elected if 1 side does not agree to :)
    For that was statute like a law in country which gave people rights , proper justice administration and it wasn't like some people talk bullsh** how two regions became one and Poland was in charge.
    In c3 it is called Poland because its better to understand people what country they play for. Even though crown of Poland name would be too long. And what to talk about name commonwealth? Nobody will understand wtf this country is :) :) :) . Anyways I like this game and I hope we will see Lithuania then in future :)
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  20. Kamilow

    Kamilow Well-Known Member

    Sweden is 6th. They have tree unique units - more than England or Spain ( Venice don't have even one). Algieria and Turkey should have better units like Nizam-I-Cedid for Turkey , Berber Muskeeters for Algieria and Bedouins for this both factions. Turkey also should have fast cavalry like Balkan light riders.

    About Sweden :


    Swedish Grenadiers ( Great Nothern War)


    King's Charles XII Cavalryman ( Great Nothern War)
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