How counter UA as Prussia?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by nanoswimz, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. nanoswimz

    nanoswimz New Member

    Peace time 20-30

    All games total lose to UA players.

    18 prussian muskets sucks compared to UA riflemans. Why? Because they cost and you get only one 18 century baracks in this time. UA have 200+ rifles when you have about 40-70

    Hussars? I dont understand why, but they are so weak compared to UA slow horsemens. They cant really hurt them and they slice hussars pretty easy.

    Multibarrel-cannon? Most of time this tool do nothing, i dont know why, but they just not shooting properly.

    Pikes? yea, i have tons of them, but they cant reach riflemans.
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  2. dthstrk

    dthstrk New Member

    Who is ua?
  3. nanoswimz

    nanoswimz New Member


    [KGR]CATWEAZEL Moderator Staff Member

    Peace time games of any ressources:

    no artillery games = Ukraine wins.
    artillery games= Prussia wins.

    If you can't win Prussia vs Ukraine artillery games it#s not because of the nations. It's because of your game-level.
  5. nanoswimz

    nanoswimz New Member

    And how artillery help, explain me please. UA can make cannons too.

    Every game i played UA always stomp prussia at 20-30 pt include my allies
  6. Commodore

    Commodore Active Member

    Try playing as UA (Ukraine) then ?

    [KGR]CATWEAZEL Moderator Staff Member

    the multi barrel completely destroys Ukraine. Wisely used there is nothing Ukraine can do against it.
  8. Falc09

    Falc09 Active Member

    Basically your question can be splittet into:

    1. How to win against Ukraine?
    2. How to win as Prussia?

    First question has been discussed multiple times during the last weeks and it all comes down to:
    If the UA Player knows what he is doing and there is a 30min pt, there is not much one could do against him. Maybe his mines are located at exposed positions and you can succsesfully attack them or he makes strategical mistakes: e.g. you can counter attack his base with strong cavalary just when he approached to your base with too many troops and left his base undefended and so on.

    The Second question can be answered as: rush for 18century, try to find an optimal build order. Don't build and train to many 17cent units, you need the housing space for 18ct pikes and musketeers. Be defensive: time is on your side - the longer the game lasts the higher is the advantage of your 18ct musketeers.
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  9. Original-Cossacks-Player

    Original-Cossacks-Player Active Member

    Because the game developers are Ukrainian they have made Ukraine one the strongest nations in the game even though historically Ukraine was not.
  10. nanoswimz

    nanoswimz New Member

    Its only true for single player. In multiplayer, with high latency multibarrlers are completery stuck and didnt do anything. They just moving and dont shoting.

    [KGR]CATWEAZEL Moderator Staff Member

    its not only about multi barrels of course... It's also about your development speed, army control, sneaky artillery game camp tactics and so on.
    The multi barrels are just the tip of the top that make the completele difference...
    Suggestion: I play Prussia and you play Ukraine :) You will quickly understand what i mean :)
  12. Freestyle

    Freestyle Member

    Make walls to get more PT and work your raids as Ukraine can't build walls, until you have 2 or 3 18c barracks producing prussian space marines. Then you are invincible.
  13. Aistis1990

    Aistis1990 Active Member

    LoL Ive played so many games with Prussia vs Ukraine and won in most of the cases. In 30 Pt I usually make 2 Barracks. The key factor to win is to have lot of Gold. Before PT End you should Either Have made lots of 18c Dragoons or Hussars. To win vs Ukraine U must collect Zerg of soldiers. In most cases I order from diplo infinite amount of sich cossacks , 3 17c Barracks (don't forget 2x +4 all defences upgrade) . And go make tons of officers. Since you complain that Prussian musketeers are expensive it shows that you're not yet an experienced player :) Because if you build economy their price means nothing. So another mistake is to send your pikemen vs serdiuks. U must keep them covering your musketeers. If youre using hussars then send whole forest of pikes before sending hussars. Hussars will cover pikes once they reach serdiuks they're fu*ked up :) I even beat Ukraine in these rules with Russia some other people as well. You just need to use tactics because other nations have more options than ukraine has. And in this version Ukraine is not as strong as in C1. There they had more shooting power and Hetmans were cheaper to maintain :) p.s. don't forget to hire ~300-400+ 18c Dragoons mercenaries , if u can't you're more likely to fu*k up. ;)
  14. Freestyle

    Freestyle Member

    Yep, and not to mention when walls are allowed Ukraine can't even raid, just get raided.
  15. Falc09

    Falc09 Active Member

    Sorry, but something is just not right with your answer. Your build order might work if you start with millions and peasants army. No way if you start with 5000.

    If you really hire 300-400 18c dragoons mercenaries you won't have much gold left for anything else. Not for upgrades not for "tons of officers" or a third 17c barracks. Also I don't think you can finish walls around your whole town (reduced building time upgrade requires also lots of gold, you need all your workers for stone gathering.

    What does Ukraine have after 30 min pt.: two 196 formations of Serdiuks, 250 - 300 Register cossacks. Some upgrades for the register cossacks, ALL barracks upgrades for Serdiuks and 2 or 3 of the 4 fire power upgrades from the academy as well as both rate of fire upgrades. Maybe also 200 mercenary units to cover mines and dwellings in the outskirts against raids.

    A lot of players have develloped good tactics during the last months so they can win against Ukraine, no doubt. Forcing the Ukrainen player to split his army, lenghten the game when ever possible thorugh tactical withdraws, and so on. After 45-60 minutes most players manage to have 2 or 3 18c barracks and good amounts of 18c musketeers and 18c dragoons from the stable fully upgraded and all 4 firepower upgrades. Than they have units with attack values similar to the serdiuks, husars to distract the ukrainen cavallery away from the serdiuks and so on.
  16. Freestyle

    Freestyle Member

    No need for AoP. I don't do 3rd 17c barracks but unless I screw up, I always have 2 18c, full walls and 300 dragoons on 30pt.

    Getting full stone upgrades and 3 tc's before 10 minutes is the key.

    Also for the stable, do hussars for raiding and making them split, not 18c dragoons.
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2016
  17. tomat_os

    tomat_os Member

    I can speak from perspective of UA player.
    Start with 5000 and min/average mines
    I think of myself as good Ukraine player and at the end of PT 30 I have about 350-400 serdiuks maxed all out attack(in academy too) and speed with no defense upgrades, 500+ Register cossacks also maxed out or almost maxed(minimum tier 4 grades in stables + smithy damage upgrade). As for mercenaries there might be 100-200 tatar swordsmen for raid defense but I personally prefer to use register cossacks which is much safer. Also 10-20 cannons and cheap artillery upgrades in academy.
    I'd say 30 min mark is a peak of UA power and it lasts for 10-20 min depending on player tactics.
    As a good alternative to Register cossacks, Sich cossacks can be used as main cavalry. 300-400 can be built/upgraded in 30 min.
  18. tomat_os

    tomat_os Member

    If you play against Ukraine with 30pt you have to survive those first 10-20 minutes after end of pt.
    You'll need artillery, multi-barrel, mercenary dragoon, a lot of meat like pikeman/officers 18c musketeers and 18c hussars/dragoons (depends, but most players prefer hussars)
    Artillery is essential.
    Things go easier if you play for Prussia/Denmark etc as you have strong 18c musketeers at stock.
  19. tomat_os

    tomat_os Member

    If pt is 20 you can expect to see about 170-190 serdiuks and 150 register cossacks. Most most likely serdiuks will have no upgrades at all or will have 3 barrack upgrades(19dmg +2 from formation) at most, 1 speed upgrade, cavalry with no upgrades.
    Most likely there will be no upgrades at all. This is because upgrades are costly and need a lot of resources to collect. Usually players collect all amount for full upgrade and might have all gold but no food and iron to start upgrades. At this moment Ukraine is most vulnerable and should be destroyed at any cost. If you hesitate for 5 minutes after end of pt your train has left. serdiuks gonna be maxed in barracks (30dmg +2 from formation) and 2 speed upgrades. Even more can be done in 5 minutes. 2-3 attack upgrades can be done in academy(40dmg +2) or cavalry upgrades tier 4. I prefer to upgrade register cossacks as 30+2 serdiuk dmg is more then enough to annihilate anything in range of fire.
    So if you play against Ukraine 5000 2opt you have to attack asap after end of pt.
    Ideally your troops have to start assault of Ukraine base when timer reaches 20:00. Few hundred of pikeman + priests + 200-300 dragoon from dip and don't forget the bullets. you can refuse upgrades of pikeman but try hard to buy cuirass in academy(cheaper) for more bullet defense and of course use formations for another +3 armor bonus. Pikeman should have 5 native + 2 cuirass +3 formation = 10 bullet armor(12 with both cuirass upgrades) if serdiuks have no upgrades(10 dmg) they do no damage and are not a threat. Even with basic upgrades (21 dmg) they will do only half damage which is no that of a problem.
  20. tomat_os

    tomat_os Member

    This goes for my tactics.
    Usually players are weaker and struggle to upgrade serdiuks till minute 30 or even later.
    If opponent is not that good you have some more time.
    So make use of drummers and try to understand early if Ukraine is worthy opponent or not.
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