News and Updates Discussion

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Field Marshall, Sep 9, 2015.

  1. Australian Magic

    Australian Magic Active Member

    IMO it's way too late. I can't remember any game which was avaible to purchase, 19 days from release and still no gameplay video... :(
  2. AlexCaptain

    AlexCaptain Active Member

  3. Ploppy

    Ploppy Member

    They are testing the Steam integration to make sure everything is ready. It only started 4 days ago.

    You can not say the game is purchasable when just 1 out of the 195 countries in the world can preorder it.

    So once more... GSC is not releasing scripted trailer gampleplay to not overhype and create another drama in the video game community.
  4. [KGR]-^K[o]K^-

    [KGR]-^K[o]K^- Moderator Staff Member

    I know, you don't say anything new to me :)
  5. Furious Peasant

    Furious Peasant Active Member

    Instead they dissapoint their customers and fans again. What a great marketing strategy. Worst PR in game history ever.
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  6. Stu

    Stu Active Member

    Oh dear, discord and disharmony in the ranks, welcome back Nowy! It has not been the same without you.

    I am not sure about the marketing strategy, I do not keep up with the latest news or intentionally take note of release dates so I am more susceptible to marketing post release because I see a trailer, like it and then buy it. Otherwise I often see a trailer, see the game is not out yet and forget all about it. The next thing I know that game is in the hall of fame list and it completely passed me by, then I buy it! I may be the exception to the rule.

    In any event, all will fade into irrelevance "soon" because the release date is not far away. This one is in my calendar!
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  7. Ploppy

    Ploppy Member

    That's the problem with people nowadays if you do crazy good marketing people will be disapointed because it's not the game they thought (AKA No Man's Sky).

    GSC just listened to Steam to not do prerelease because prerelease just generate more hate. And trust me, it's a good thing for the game.

    Maybe they are disapointing you, but not me.

    You don't do marketings for a product no one can buy, it makes no sens because people will just forget about it.
  8. Furious Peasant

    Furious Peasant Active Member


    So people forget about things like the I-Phone, when it was announced and presented to the audiance long before it was sold?
    Sorry no. Previews are a very important instrument in marketing.The more you inform the people, the more they will remember your product. If you don't make any advertising no one will know your product. It is just that simple. No new screenshots, no gameplay videos - no new customers. Just a few old fanboys.

    A lot of high quality games were sold with very bad results because not enough people know about them. (examples: Wiggles, Paraworld and a lot of Eastern Europe games that were never even released in Western Europe or the USA...)
    And other very bad games were sold very well because they were well known. (example: Aliens colonial mariens, Medal of Honor: Warfighter...)

    I wouldn't have buyed Cossacks 1 back in 2000 if I hadn't seen an add and a preview in a gaming magazine. A lot of my friends didn't know about the existense of Cossacks1 because they didn't read those gaming magazines back then!

    Another example: If a new movie comes out. Most people want to watch it in the first few days because the have seen the adds long before the movie was out. If there are no adds people don't know about the movie and will not go out watching it. Maybe a few will but the mass of the audience will not. When the movie is already at the cinema it is a bit late for advertising.

    My guess is that GSC thinks there are enough old Cossacks fans out there and enough people will remember their old product so that they don't have to waste time and money with advertising. But this is not workling well in my opinion. Not if they want to sell millions of copies of this game again. Let's see how it will work out in 18 days.:rolleyes:
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2016
  9. Ploppy

    Ploppy Member

    Something you don't understand is that you are a fan. So you won't forget about it. People who are not fan will forget it quicker.

    People who buy Iphones most likely never change for an other brand. So you can safely consider those people as fans. They want the new version as soon as it release.
    You want the new version of Cossacks as soon as it is release. Someone who doesn't care about Apple will not even know when the new IPhone will be released.
    Or they will know about it when they'll see the ads. And at this point they can either preorder it simply buy it.

    It's not like they don't want to do marketing, they will.
    The game will obviously receive heavy marketing probably just before and after the release.

    I call it <false marketing>, that's an other problem. A good example is No Man's Sky drama.

    They are already doing "soft" marketing since early 2016. Source Source Source
    So if you read one of these popular magazines, you would know about it.
    And you did not end up here magically, I'm almost certain about it.

    Movies in theater are limited in time. That's another problem. You can't compare a product which doesn't last in time to a product which is meant to last in time.


    Don't feel like I'm busting you, I'm just expressing my point of view. Because for me, they are doing it to not disappoint their future players. And I repeat, the heavy marketing will start at some point, probably a little bit before the release date. Plus they contacted many Youtubers to do most of the job almost for free :D
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2016
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  10. Furious Peasant

    Furious Peasant Active Member

    Ploppy it is ok. You are not busting me. We just have different opinions about how GSC should advertise their products.

    For me it wouldn't be a dissapointment if GSC shows concept art or something that isn't finsihed or optimized yet. As a fan and a game modder myself I am interested about every little information I can get. (Other game companies do that without having problems about it.)

    I am just dissapointed when they announce things, and then not fullfill them. Or when there are no news at all.
  11. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    I usually try add some peper and salt to dully flesh and boredom fanboys posts. I am ready even to hot discussions.
    These can grow forum activity much better than lovely words about somethings which we probably can see soon.

    I put many questions, suggestions, ideas and wishes, becouse I would like to see fine RTS game based on well chosen historical nations, units, formations, army order of battle, economy features, tactics and strategies.

    C3 game could be interesting game, however require some more new things.

    If you like to read and discuss my ideas here you are some new things.
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2016
  12. Furious Peasant

    Furious Peasant Active Member

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  13. Daddio

    Daddio Moderator Staff Member

    Myself, I never buy games based on PR.

    GSC has always been very poor at PR.

    But they have produced outstanding games!

    My hope is that they continue this trend.

    We will find out 9/20/16.!
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  14. Field Marshall

    Field Marshall Active Member

    Or later... who knows?
  15. Australian Magic

    Australian Magic Active Member

    For people who knew C1 it's not a problem.
    For you it's not a problem.
    For me it's not a problem (tho I admit the PR is pure crap - 17 days to go and still no gameplay?)

    But from financial point of view they are cutting their own head becasue MANY people buy games based on good PR, good videos, good reviews.
    I mean, how many outstanding games we saw through years which were forgotten very quickly becasue of really bad PR? Plenty
    And opposite, how many medicore games were pure success from financial point of view thanks to good marketing? Again, plenty!

    It's very simple, without good marketing you will always have like 50% less sales, nothing new here. From company's point of view it's 50% less money.

    But again, 17 days to go and no beta (which was annouced 22 april and then 2 months ago it was "one week from" lel) and no any video is not optimistic plus this is not how compnay treats potential customers.
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2016
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  16. Ragnaer

    Ragnaer Member

    I don't think you understand why PR is important.
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  17. Ploppy

    Ploppy Member

    I don't know what you are arguing about, this forum is turning like the Steam one.
    You guys are saying the game is crap and is dead already but it is not even available !
    Wait till you get your hands on it.

    There is no preview, YES.
    But they contacted almost every Youtubers who play strategy games.

    There is no gameplay, YES.
    But they said there will be one before the release.
  18. Nath33killer

    Nath33killer Member

    Oh my god, gsc is so generous, we WILL have a gameplay video before release ! I'm gonna cry
  19. Ploppy

    Ploppy Member

    Whatever, you will always find something to complain about, that's how people are these days.
  20. Ragnaer

    Ragnaer Member

    Who said it will be crap etc..?
    The problem with the PR is, that only the old Cossacks fans will buy it, because most other players don't even know the game exists.
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