Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Cossack, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. Ftoomsh

    Ftoomsh Well-Known Member

    Nowy, we all get that you don't like vanilla C3 and would not like it even if it was bug free. But let me make a number of points;

    (1) Some people do like it. I am not one of those people but I accept that some people, maybe a lot of people who play, like vanilla C3.

    (2) The game can be modded to almost any form or at least will be when modding is fully supported.

    (3) You have made many large posts of the game style you would like to see. I wouldn't agree with everything but most of it would make a very good game.

    (4) Here is what you must do to make your dream game version (mod) come true;

    (a) Go back through all your posts, copy them and then paste them into a Word document (or some other word processor).
    (b) Work through all your own suggestions and sort them into a logical order and delete duplicate items where you have just repeated suggestions.
    (c) Next, turn that document into a set of specifications for a mod. In logical, precise and ordered fashion, define all the changes you want such that a programmer could follow your instructions and build exactly what you want.
    (d) Then teach yourself to program or mod or go to a college or night school for the necessary lessons. Then make your ideal mod.
    (e) Alternatively, once you have produced precise specifications (and they must be precise) publish them on this forum in an attached document. Then call for bids from modders. This means they will bid a price to build your Mod. For example, a student who is good at programming might bid as low as say 100 Euros to build your mod if he thinks it won't be too complicated. You might even ask for an itemized bid and pay what you can afford for the components of your mod that you really want and save some money by not getting a few really fancy parts built.

    These would be the logical and realistic ways to go about getting the mod you want. Nobody is going to build it just because you want it. You must put in some specification effort and then maybe some cash if you don't want to or cannot code it yourself.
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  2. Ftoomsh

    Ftoomsh Well-Known Member

    Oh yes, I was in multiplayer. I never play the AI unless I am just testing something.
  3. Hangtuah

    Hangtuah New Member

    Thank you ;)

    [KGR]CATWEAZEL Moderator Staff Member

    very good post!
  5. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    This looks you do not get my points.

    Bear in mind I do not like vanilla C3 game therefore I try to convince developers to make more changes in this game.
    I created many threads with ideas worthy to implement in vanilla game. These threads are quite popular on this forum.
    This could suggest people are interested in C3 game changes.

    Bugs are not main issue, main issue are well known C1 flaws copied into C3 game. There are any interesting new features in this game. Many potential customers do not buy this game. That is a problem.

    In current stage any mod could help me. So, your suggestions in this matter are useless.

    Take in mind I wrote many suggestions, sometimes changed some things, but general ideas are still the same.
    I would like to see more changes in vanilla game which allow play more sensible game play.

    I find RTS game based on historical buildings, units and warfare could better represent basic features.
    Sensible economy, build order, well balanced nations, units stats, formations, army order of battle, movement, deployment and well organized warfare. These basic features needs lot of improvements in C3 game.

    C3 game in current stage do not fullfil my and many potential customers wishes.
    You could notice, this game got many critical reviews and many customers do not buy this game now.
    Therefore fast, radical changes in VANILLA C3 game are necessary. That is a point.
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  6. General WVPM

    General WVPM Member

    You could support them by actually buying the game instead of criticizing it on every thread...
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  7. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    I am very disappoitned with C3 game in current stage, therefore can not see a sense to spend my money.
    Predicted this poor situation long before game release, tried to convince developers to make more changes and innovations for this game. Therefore created so many threads with ideas worthy to implement in this game.

    I offered them lot of my time, gave good feedback and support for good game development in long time.
    I did not criticize this game before release, but proposed many, many things which could help them improve this game.
    Later add next propositions for interesting innovations. You could read over 1000 my messages!

    Developers chose otherwise, they simply copied old, bad flaws known from C1 game wrapped into modernised graphic, add few campaigns in old style. They completly ignored many fans wishes, horrible led public relations and poorly presented game development. They released horrible bugged C 3 game with old, bad features.

    These cases clearly showed, they do not need my support!

    Maybe such cases could be interesting 16 years ago, but today these things could only disappoint me and many customers. Therefore this game got poor critical reviews notes and sale results are not impresive now.

    So, your advice to spend my money for this game is irrational.
    Let's developers improve this game implement more radical changes, then I can spend my money.
    Developer should offer good product, then customer can pay for it. That's how it works in real world.
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2016
  8. Marius

    Marius Member

    Feel free to try and balance the game properly, 80% of the nations are unplayable in peacetime games and algeria is the only nation you can play if you want to win with no peacetime.
  9. Ftoomsh

    Ftoomsh Well-Known Member

    If you haven't bought the game how do you know what it's like? There are in fact subtle differences to C1. Meanwhile many people are having fun with this game which is good in its right. There are many different settings and rules which can be implemented to get good games.

    Then there are people who can do or are willing to learn modding and will build better mod versions in time.

    I am surprised you are still here Nowy. You could search for a different game which meets more of your wishes. There are plenty of games on the market. You could be having fun in that game.

    Frankly, I am getting rather tired of your totally negative approach. I imagine I am not the only one. You won't take the time or make the effort to learn modding. Your constructive criticism turned into destructive criticism a long time ago. Your posts have reached "delete" status in my opinion.
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  10. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    OMG, what a strange remarks you wrote!

    Subtele differences to C1 mean 5% or 6% now?
    How many people have fun with C3 game now?
    I guess this is much less than 4 million which bought C1 game in the past!

    These possible differences in settings and rules did not help find more customers?
    Why more customers do not buy this good game now? They do not like this good game with next subtele differences?

    I doubt that mods can help C3 game at this stage. Mods could be a small niche, how it was in C1, AC or C2 cases.

    I have not negative approch, still make many suggestions to make more improvements, even radical changes which could save this game. However I am very realistic and do not expect that mods could help now.

    Therefroe I criticize C3 game at current stage.
    This is not destructive citicism, this is constructive criticism, I still make lot of propositions for improvements.
    I believe this is possible and can save this game, but developers should make more radical changes and work faster.

    So, do not suggest delete my critical posts, when you can not accept my ideas and criticism.
    There are many fans which read my messages, can undestand issues and give many likes.

    Many customers do not buy C3 game, they are very disappointed with current C3 game features.
    Developers can not ignore this reality. If they want to save this game they should change many things in this game.
  11. Anatotitan

    Anatotitan Active Member

    You really need to ditch the idea that features, rather than marketing, drive sales. That is besides the point though, this thread is for customers only.
  12. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    I find this thread is not only for customers, but also for developers, fans, even critics.
    Nevertheless I agree marketing drives sales. Let's look at this case here.

    We can see such maketing elements.

    1. Product = C3 game which require lot of fixes and improvements.
    2. Promotion = poor.
    3. Price = c.a. 20 euros.
    4. Place of distibution = steam and some retail.

    What GSC can sensible change there?

    Place of distribution is adequate for video games market.
    Promotion needs more investment, I doubt that GSC have enough money and resources for costly promotion now.
    Price is relatively low, GSC can not lower it too much, they could lost their profits.
    So, they got troubles with product, but they can sensible change only this last element.

    Other marketing elements are out of discussion. GSC can not sensible change it now.
    This mean they can change sensible only game features, then marketing can drive sales, isn't it.

    I guess you can understand why I propose so many ideas worthy to implement into this game now.
    This could save this game and help GSC.
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2016
  13. Anatotitan

    Anatotitan Active Member

    That's not how it works. If you change stuff about a game no one knows about, it doesn't magically make people buy the game. You have to pump money into marketing, getting the word out there. For a game, 90% of sales occure in the two weeks after launch (unless it is a big franchise like Blizzard's or Nintendo's series), and that time has now passed. We can't expect a lot of people to buy the game anymore at this point, unless it's promoted at a Steam Sale. So the devs should work on making the game better for the people who already bought it. You didn't, and seemingly don't plan to, so I see no reason for the devs to listen to you. The people who bought the game are those who liked Cossacks 1. So the devs should work on making it run better, so that it reaches the quality of Cossacks 1, and to balance it better, building upon what Cossacks 1 established. Your ideas to add completely new stuff to the game would not only take away ressources from the other, more necessary stuff, but they would also take a lot of time for testing and likely bring their own problems with them - creating new construction sites where there were previously none. And to add to all of that, the people who bought the game, who bought it because they wanted an updated version of Cossacks 1, would suddenly see their game that they bought turn into something completely different, that they possibly did not intend to pay money for.

    Nowy, I understand that you would like those changes. But there is no way the devs will add them at this point. So please stop bothering everyone in this thread about it (and don't deny that you do - just because you consider your change proposals to be good ideas doesn't mean that they have any business being in a thread discussing the latest updates).
    My advice to you is: pick up modding and work on making the game you want by yourself. Cossacks 3 allows you to do that. Be your own man and get to work.
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  14. yquinox

    yquinox Member

    I totaly agree. I bought the game, made a MOD and Iam happy playing it (would be more if the game stops to freezing :D). And if someone has similar wishes as have I, he can just download my MOD and play (and maybee also be happy :D).
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2016
  15. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    You completly miss the points.

    GSC can not pomp more money when product is not acceptable for great majority of old C1 customers.
    You could notice there were c.a. 4 million old C1 and some new customers and how many bought C3 game?

    GSC is not Blizzard, AE or MS. C3 developers have not so large budget. They have to get choises, what can improve their marketing mixt, that 4P. I am certain they can change sensible only their product, use the same place of distribution, similar promotion and sale the game with similar price.

    GSC have to take care about marketing 2 C elements, mean costs and clients.
    They can not increase marketing costs, this mean can not make bigger, costly promotion, change palce of distribution, lower price, but they can change their product. This is simple, easy, fast and smart do able. This do not require more costs, at last they employ staff and probably pay for their work. Let's they work sensible over improvements and changes. Neverhtless bugs fixes, cosmetic improvements and mods will not save this game!

    GSC got many potential clients, which likes RTS games based on historical buildings, units and warfare.
    Deves should take care on these mentioned above elements and fullfil wise fans wishs. Improve product!
    Old multiplayer fans advices, old, bad C1 flaws and features lead to nowhere. These do not work well.
    That was clear C3 case.

    My likes or dislikes for some ideas has little to do with these issues. Modding will not help GSC and me at this stage.
    You can ask yourselves how many people downloaded C3 mods. Answer is clrear to me. Not many.

    Few happy moders and fans do not save this game, and GSC, this is obvious.

    Devers could listen to me, make more improvements, even radical changes, then results would be much better. :D
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2016
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  16. Anatotitan

    Anatotitan Active Member

    Ah, I forgot how thick your skull is. When I said that the only way to make a game sell is to pump money into marketing, I meant as a consequence that GSC won't be able to make Cossacks 3 a well selling game at this point, no matter what. Because obviously they are a small dev team that does not have such money.

    Anyway, you are, again, assuming that everyone's gripes with the game are your own. You are literally uncapable of comprehending that other people do not think like you do. You see people who agree with you and call them "wise", and see people who disagree and say that they are "missing the point" or "don't get it". Are you on the autistic spectrum by any chance?

    I will now stop replying to you, and advice others to do the same as you are incapable of changing your opinion.
  17. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    It is good that you are going to stop replying, you have only rude remakrs and any real arguments.
    Take in mind I usually agree with wise men when they got arguments, even they disagree with my ideas.
    However I can not agree with you, becouse you have not any arguments.

    [KGR]CATWEAZEL Moderator Staff Member

    You're just a professional troller...

    Get used to the simple and universal fact that we're right and you're wrong.
    And if there are times for you to be uncertain if you're either right or wrong, read once more the sentence above!

    You should really begin to drink water - just to surprise your liver!
  19. (OC)Fotheringill

    (OC)Fotheringill Active Member

    I have seen many, many very lengthy post in this and other threads that have taken a lot of time to compose, review, answer and read. I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage in mental masturbation over what has been a 10 v 1 fight. If there is someone who has a contrary opinion to every thought you post, ignore him (them). If a person such as this starts a thread, don't post in it. If a person such as this responds in a thread you have started, ignore what he has posted. It will make life a lot easier for everyone reading these threads. Response is like throwing petrol onto a fire. Silence will eventually make the person either change his tune or slink off to another game. All I see are words based on opinion and not experience with the game. Constructive threads can be had without giving a particular person's ideas and opinions a second thought.

    It took a while for me to post this since;

    I abhor wasting my time on reading and possibly responding in poisoned threads.
    I see valid contributions being sidetracked when engaging someone.
    It can only hurt everyone else in the community with a community goal in mind, however differently it is approached.
    I used to enjoy reading every topic at this site. Not any more. I would like to enjoy it again. I am not getting paid to log on here. When something does not give me pleasure, I tend to move on to something that does. I hope this negativity does not sour others on this site, but it sure as hell has done it to me.
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2016
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  20. [PR]Ernest

    [PR]Ernest Moderator Staff Member

    Nowy should get ban again for trolling.
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