State vs Country

Discussion in 'Моддинг' started by Awar, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. rob89

    rob89 New Member

    [QUOTE = "Awar, post: 87373, member: 13278"] Understood. The problem turned out to be in the formation without an officer, it is built in the AI by its own means and many parameters are not set, i.e. have a value of -1. In the code has been added
    protection of gunners when they are in the battery, did not take everything into account, AI units with their own formation were clinging. Shot protection became -1, i.e. very large, the unit's life when fired was reduced by 1 unit.

    Test version 1.09.96
    https://yadi.sk/d/SdCkKnbYLFNQ8A [/ QUOTE]

    tested
    Now selected (in the previous post) problem solved
    thank
     
  2. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Hi Demoul, Kamilow said to me this.'' In the 18th century, Poland fought only on land. Of course, we had some war fleet but I don't have any pieces of information about Polish mariners from this period. Probably the modders will have to add polish mariners a standard outfit for European mariners in this time. If you want other pieces of information about Polish forces, I will be happy to answer.'' So Poland has no marine. Time to improvise:))
     
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  3. Demoul

    Demoul Well-Known Member

    Hi Burak!
    Yes. Time to improvise :)
    It will be necessary to think, how best to do it.
     
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  4. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Hi Demoul, I read somewhere, Poland used a small fleet which commanded by Arend Dickmann. He was Holland merchant. So you can use Holland style uniforms for Poland marines.
    I found these article for Poland.
    http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Oliwa.htm
    http://gdansk.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Oliwa
    I found this article for Denmark.
    http://www.navalhistory.dk/English/History/NavyBefore1801.htm
    https://www.mja.dk/artikel/kattegats-skrk
    https://www.ranker.com/list/a-list-of-all-great-northern-war-battles/reference
    I think Denmark naval soldier color is red and blue.
     
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  5. Foeurdr

    Foeurdr Moderator Staff Member

    I would avoid assuming that because the commander was dutch so were the marines. Commander would often lend their skill to any country willing. For exemple in the french navy I remember quite a number of swedish officer which isn't the case for common sailor and soldier.
    From what I can read, Poland used privateers in the baltic sea to serve in there small navy, I will try to look in that direction for common privateer available in the baltic sea.
     
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  6. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

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  7. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Hi Demoul, I think artillery used behind gabions historically. Can you add gabions and powder barrels? I think musketeers and artillery need powder:)) I thought if you can add military expert (ship captain, engineer, general etc)inside the diplomatic center, the mode will be fantastic. I thought when I saw Foeurdr post:)) France used Swedish officer:)) Maybe you can do this. Can you tell this details to Awar? Good work.
     
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  8. Foeurdr

    Foeurdr Moderator Staff Member

    Sadly I haven't found anything really informative about polish marine for the moment.
    I tried several things, I looked on Polona but it only had picture of the ship, tried the military museum of Warsaw but you can't see the collection online so it was useless. I had more luck on the National Maritime Museum in Gdansk
    https://en.nmm.pl/the-granaries/current-exhibitions-1/to-board-the-amazing-exhibition
    https://en.nmm.pl/the-granaries/exhibitions-and-galleries-1/poles-on-the-seas-of-the-world
    There were a few pictures which show some man in uniform from Krzysztof Kucharski's reenactment group, but since the exposition also had swedish and russian uniforms shown, the few pictures we see could well be from another country and not Poland.
    I tried to look for this reenactment group but it's in polish (obviously !) so it's hard to understand and use the right keywords.

    Lastly I found this site it's in polish but there is one drawing were you can see sailor shooting. It's a fairly recent work so it could also be pure artistic liberty.
    http://santisimatrinidad.jun.pl/printview.php?t=387&start=0&sid=80697f4fd219439e3575f115ed501592
    [​IMG]

    Extra, for fun mainly since all flag are already in game. It's an official document by Bellin (he made a lot of maps) from 1756 for the french navy with all flag that most navy use. It was made using similar british and dutch documents. There is two flag for Poland, Gdansk (Dantzic in the document) also has its own two flags ! (You could by this for 30 sols, which is not exactly cheap )
    https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6947403r/f1.item.r=Les gardes de la marine.zoom

    You are thinking of something like some sort of wall for gabions ? That would require a unit to build it, a peasant or a new dedicated unit like a sapper. For powder barrels it would be amazing to see something like the in progress Supply & Trade Mod made by @Original-Cossacks-Player.
    About military expert I'm not sure what purpose it would have, otherwise he would end as a different officer adding variety but no gameplay purpose. For ship captain, I think it's already covered by the ship you can recruit for gold only.
    By the way I said France used swedish officers in the navy but there were a lot of nationality. A lot of foreign noblemen were used as sub-officer, and prestigious general for exemple bernard of Saxe-Weimar changed several time of countries to serve. It was a common pratice in all europe to seek foreign officers to train or lead soldiers and that without taking in account mercenary !
     
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  9. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

    Hi Foeurdr, good work. Yes, I thought about sort of wall with gabions. I saw many pictures about sieges etc. All artillery used behind the gabion wall. We need a sapper in the mod. I offered sapper, miner, the military engineer before. I thought about the diplomatic center. We had only soldiers and started to think about other units in 17th and 18th century and I came up with an idea. I thought that if we used a foreign ship captain, the ship could have trained quickly. I thought clearly you were right. We could have used inside the port as an university research. I think we have no officer in the game. We saw only one type of officer. Where were general and others? We must see other ranks and I offered a military academy before. I offered a military engineer because I like defensive structures ( star forts etc). I offered pontonnier type soldier who build a bridge and with this bridge, you can use new tactics. I offered a general because I like big armies and if we wanted to control big armies we needed high-ranking officers. They could have given an extra military experience, new formations, new fighting style. I thought the famous Duke of Marlborough, Prince Eugene etc. They used new tactics and new fighting styles. For example, Duke of Marlborough time England used 60 men formation. I have a new idea now. We can add famous commander tactics for every nation:)) So, I've just offered. My goal is improving the game mode. The final decision is Demoul and Awar:)))
     
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  10. Francesco_Cavalli

    Francesco_Cavalli Active Member

    [QUOTE="About military expert I'm not sure what purpose it would have, otherwise he would end as a different officer adding variety but no gameplay purpose. For ship captain, I think it's already covered by the ship you can recruit for gold only.
    By the way I said France used swedish officers in the navy but there were a lot of nationality. A lot of foreign noblemen were used as sub-officer, and prestigious general for exemple bernard of Saxe-Weimar changed several time of countries to serve. It was a common pratice in all europe to seek foreign officers to train or lead soldiers and that without taking in account mercenary ![/QUOTE]

    The way to do the officers would be to have foreign officers (Saxons for the Polish, Swedes for the French, etc) be very expensive but make the formations they control stronger - I assume this is possible using the framework General_WVMP created. There could then be some very expensive upgrades in the academy to train the player’s officers up to match them. That way you have a play choice: do I hire foreign officers at great expense, or spend the time and money training my own?
     
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  11. Demoul

    Demoul Well-Known Member

    Awar wants to add the generals into the game. So that with their presence the army received a bonus.
    About the addition of foreign officers in DIPLO. Need to think about how it will look.
     
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  12. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

  13. Erik

    Erik New Member

    Great mod! For some reason when I play, I cannot build a nations frigates or battleships. They said I need to research 2 things but I cannot find them in the academy. Can you help with this? Also, Jager does not seem to be able to be recruited at the diplomacy center? Suggestions?

    I really like the idea of having the gun crew but they seem to not want to attack anything.... They just hang around. Sometimes I can get them to fire manually but this does not always work.
     
  14. Andrey Andrey

    Andrey Andrey New Member

    Еще предложение.... Для случайных карт ввести параметр - Тип AI: оборонительный/атакующий
     
  15. Demoul

    Demoul Well-Known Member

    Мне кажется если ИИ только будет в обороне сидеть, то это проигрышная ситуация. Так как игрок тогда сможет создать кольцо из войск вокруг селения ИИ и постепенно сжать его.
     
  16. Demoul

    Demoul Well-Known Member

    I think we will return to these questions at the expense of formations.
    I want to make all the mercenaries in Diplo and I noticed that not all cavalry have original saddles.
     
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  17. rob89

    rob89 New Member

    (переводчик Google)

    Почему ИИ никогда не строит стены?
    Осадная война теоретически возможна, но на самом деле (и, к сожалению) никогда не бывает
     
  18. Demoul

    Demoul Well-Known Member

    Действительно. Интересный вопрос. Возможно ИИ не заложена постройка стен. Я не видел чтобы ИИ в ванильной версии строил их. А вот возможно ли это исправить? Думаю только Awar сможет дать ответ на этот вопрос.
     
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  19. Burak Damgacı

    Burak Damgacı Well-Known Member

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  20. Andrey Andrey

    Andrey Andrey New Member

    ИИ может выдвигать войска, например, при подходе войск игрока к селению. В этом случае создать кольцо будет затруднительно. И потом, при игре на больших картах подкрепление к игроку будет подходить дольше, а у ИИ, при небольшой удаленности от города, войска будут восполняться быстрее.
     
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