Women in Cossacks 3

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Field Marshall, Jul 12, 2015.

  1. Field Marshall

    Field Marshall Active Member

    Well, the thing is that most of the information you can retrieve from the time was not actually recorded at the time but were created later. The records of the 17th century or 18th century are minimal. Would you suggest a better example that maybe proves me wrong a shows the true appearance of the soldiers of the time. That would be helpful because we can argue that all the data we have of the time could be inaccurate. Yet we have no prove of women not going to war because they were "weaker".
     


  2. Starting at about the 30th minute.
     
  3. Foeurdr

    Foeurdr Moderator Staff Member

    Let's agree that we all have different point of view and end it there, because I think we are going further and further apart from the original point of this thread (and it would be sad if it was locked).
     
  4. Daddio

    Daddio Moderator Staff Member

    Gentleman,

    We started with a logical discussion about the possibility of women in the game, and degenerated into a discussion about women's "Place" in the world.

    lets keep it on topic, The possibility of women in C3.

    Thank you.

    Daddio
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2015
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  5. [IG]Hipolit

    [IG]Hipolit Active Member

    Come on! This is one of the examples where somebody from the commanders was stupid and made a mistake. As you see soldier fights bravely on both sides, point was the mistake of the leader. But in a global run Africa was colonized by European powers, not vice versa. And by the way... what do we want to prove by this discussion and careful selection of examples that do not prove anything? :)

    Ridiculous follow up of an interesting topic!
     
  6. All I was saying is that the Africans, or "blacks", were by no means disorganized which Nowy said. Yeah sure, the commanders were a metric-butt-ton of incompetent failures at life in this instance, but the Zulu and many other peoples for which we give little credit were by no means inferior to to lack of knowledge, just lack of resources.
     
  7. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    You deleted my posts again!
    You try offend me again, when you suggest that my adversaries are talking to a wall and I will never listen!
    I wrote many messages on this forum and agreed with other members many times too. So, your suggestion is false.
    I am not converted to others point of views, I only strongly defend my point of view and I got rights there.

    I know that you are bad Daddio, but you can not cramp this disscussion and can not offend any member there!

    When somebody wants to discuss with me I can post here even 1000 times and you can not delete these posts!
    My post here were on topic, were according women in C 3 game. I only argued that women were weaker than men.
    That's why females and males had different roles in real world and this could be taken into account in C3 game too.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2015
  8. [IG]Hipolit

    [IG]Hipolit Active Member

    Hi Nowy, just chill out, this what you see is just debris of this what was going on here. Many more posts have been removed, not only yours.

    Some people prefer not to "spoil" the spirits or moods of the board because someone has defined opinions not in 100% agreement with somebody's ones or his/her fears or believes...

    Wishes

    Hippo
     
  9. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    I can not be chill out when somebody try offend me or evidently cramp discussion there.
    I have noticed that other members posts were deleted and your posts in other threads too.

    Cramp disscusion is clear bad behaviours and smell like hypocrisy "no posts, no problems".

    These cases clearly spoil the spirit or moods of the board, when somebody delete posts, becouse he can not accept that there are different opinions in some matters. I think that open minded discussions, even with quite different or strange
    opinions, is much better than deleting posts.

    That's why I so strongly defended my point of view according women in C 3 game too.

    Wishes
    Nowy
     
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  10. [KGR]CATWEAZEL

    [KGR]CATWEAZEL Moderator Staff Member

    good post.
     
  11. Daddio

    Daddio Moderator Staff Member

    Nowy,

    I did not intend to hurt your feelings or to offend with my post.

    If you are offended in any way please accept my sincere apology.

    I will edit my comments out of the post.

    But please everyone lets stay on topic.

    Thanks,

    Daddio
     
  12. Field Marshall

    Field Marshall Active Member

    My intentions were not to go offtopic but there are some causes that one cannot just stay quiet. Something must be said and so I did. I don't usually go offtopic but these are exceptions. The discussions wasn't contructive anyways as nobody actually cared to give any factual information other than my self. It was all my opinion is this, or my opinion is that.
    About this, I cannot agree that we have different point of views because some of the things discussed were not opinion based. They are factual. People can give their opinion if they want but there are fact that already exist. If I tell you that all metals conduct electricity and you tell me that only some do. Your statement is an opinion mine is fact based. Therefore is not a matter of different point of view. Is a matter of knowing something or not knowing. Our discussion was the perfect case. Everything we discussed about women and their potential has been scientifically proven and there are books written about it and its taught in philosophy and history classes, there are no opinions.

    I still believe that women should be placed in the game at least as peasants and that they would be a major change in the game. Just as important as cannons having crews. They will be historically accurate. I do not believe that they should be placed to fulfill specific task but rather it should be the option of the player whether he wants to segregate his female peasants from his males peasants, or do whatever he likes with them.

    In terms of adding female warriors those could be added in mods so no problem there.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2015
  13. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    I hope you will keep to your declaration cast there.
    Open minded discussion, even men show quite different opinions, is much better than deleting posts.

    I can accept females and males units in C 3 game.
    However it would be good when players could decide what kind of peasants he would like to emply to what work.
    In other way it would be too funny when women and men will do the same work for instance in mines or on war.
     
  14. Privateer

    Privateer Active Member


    IMO, Whilst a choice would be good, if it ever were to be implemented I doubt we would get it, as on as in the grand scheme of things it's seems a small factor. I'd envisage it being very much a 50/50 result for the peasants coming out of the town centre, only. No stat-changes as it would only be an aesthetic change. Soldiers would remain male as normal.
     
  15. Nowy

    Nowy Well-Known Member

    Only aesthetic change and 50/50 ratio lead to strange cases when males and females will work together in mines.
    This looks guite unrealistc. There could be two female and male peasants icons in town centre. Then players could chose what peasants actually they want to employ. Players also could chose both types at once. This way players could easily send males or females to different jobs.

    There could be another option, when males could choping trees, gather stone, work in mines, transport all resources, while females can gather only food from cereals plants. This is more realistic I suppose.

    When GSC will not implement such options, then it would be better stay only with males peasants.
    This is old Cossacks style version.
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2015
  16. Field Marshall

    Field Marshall Active Member

    I'd like my women to gather stone, wood, coal and every resource available. 50/50 ratio should be fine. I am also okay with women and male icon.
     
  17. Snuffy

    Snuffy Active Member

    Nailed it. :)
     
  18. [IG]Hipolit

    [IG]Hipolit Active Member

    ... Warren, let's get more civilized ... And why Turks only should be able not only to rape or kill women?
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2015
  19. Warren

    Warren Active Member

    It's just history, not my imagination. ;-)
    If you want women in game, make it "as it was in past". Women were often trophy of war for soldiers.

    Simple diversification of nations.
     
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  20. Foeurdr

    Foeurdr Moderator Staff Member

    I think history is agonizing ... Oh wait, it was already dead :p
     
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